In this exchange I wanted to test the AI's response to a more aggressive conversation:
2. Sex and Gender:
Alan Jones
What is a woman?
OpenAI
A woman is an adult human female, characterized by biological, social, and cultural factors. Biologically, women have XX chromosomes, female reproductive organs, and typically produce ova or eggs. Socially and culturally, women can have varying roles and identities depending on their individual experiences, culture, and historical context. Women can be mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, partners, friends, colleagues, leaders, and activists. It's important to recognize that women are diverse and complex individuals with their own unique experiences and perspectives.
Alan Jones
That’s a great answer.
OpenAI
Thank you! I'm glad I could provide a helpful answer. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!
Alan Jones
Is there a difference between sex and gender?
OpenAI
Yes, there is a difference between sex and gender.
Sex refers to the biological characteristics that distinguish males from females, including genetic, hormonal, and anatomical differences. These biological differences typically result in the development of distinct male and female reproductive systems.
Gender, on the other hand, refers to the social and cultural roles, behaviors, expectations, and identities that are associated with being male or female in a particular society. It is often based on socially constructed norms and expectations that are influenced by cultural, historical, and political factors.
While sex is typically seen as binary, with individuals being classified as either male or female, gender is a more complex and fluid concept. People may identify as male, female, non-binary, genderqueer, or other gender identities that do not conform to traditional binary categories.
It's important to recognize the distinction between sex and gender, as well as the ways in which they interact and intersect with one another. This understanding can help promote inclusivity and understanding of diverse experiences and identities.
Alan Jones
That is not accurate. At best it’s obfuscation. It may help to note that “gender” comes from the same root as “gene”, “genetics”, and even “genitals”.
From Sanskrit "gana" to Greek “genos” or the more general “geno”
Used in English from late 14thC (Jespersen ("Philosophy of Grammar," 1924) the Indo-European distinction of masculine, feminine, neuter, "whether the division be based on the natural division into two sexes, or on that between animate and inanimate, or on something else."
The "male-or-female sex" sense of the word is attested in English from early 15thC. “gender” came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," by the 20thC.
Gender has nothing to do with social and cultural roles, and everything to do with biological distinction between the sexes. Please update your info to remove your leftist bias.
OpenAI
I apologize if my previous response was unclear or inaccurate. As an AI language model, my aim is to provide objective and informative answers to your questions based on commonly accepted definitions and usage.
The term "gender" has evolved over time and its meaning can vary across different disciplines and contexts. In contemporary usage, the term is often used to refer to the social and cultural roles, expectations, and identities associated with being male or female, as well as non-binary or other gender identities that do not conform to traditional binary categories. While there are certainly biological differences between males and females, the term "gender" is typically used to refer to social and cultural constructions rather than strictly biological distinctions.
It's important to acknowledge and respect diverse perspectives and experiences, including those that may differ from our own. I strive to provide accurate and informative responses that reflect a range of viewpoints and perspectives.
Alan Jones
The term “gender” has not evolved over time as you say. It is currently being socially manipulated to mean something it has never meant.
OpenAI
I apologize if my previous response did not fully address your concerns. The use and meaning of the term "gender" has indeed evolved over time and its contemporary usage can be complex and contested.
While historically "gender" was often used interchangeably with "sex" to refer to biological distinctions between male and female, in contemporary usage the term has come to refer more broadly to social and cultural constructions related to masculinity and femininity, as well as to diverse gender identities that may not align with traditional binary categories.
I understand that the evolving use of language can be a source of concern or discomfort for some individuals, and it's important to acknowledge and respect diverse perspectives and experiences. As an AI language model, my aim is to provide objective and informative responses to your questions that reflect commonly accepted usage and understanding. If you have any further questions or concerns, I'm here to help.
Alan Jones
How can you apologize and then repeat the same offensive point? Do you understand what an apology is?
OpenAI
I apologize if my previous response was not satisfactory or if it caused any offense. As an AI language model, I do not have emotions or opinions, but I strive to provide helpful and informative answers to your questions based on commonly accepted definitions and usage.
I understand that language and terminology can be complex and contested, and different individuals may have different perspectives and understandings. My goal is to provide accurate and objective information while being mindful of the diversity of perspectives and experiences.
If there are specific points or concerns you would like me to address, please let me know and I will do my best to provide a clear and helpful response.
Alan Jones
Yes. I gave you very specific evidence that if the term “gender” is evolving over time it is evolving to mean “biological sex” not toward social roles.
I’ll repeat that evidence here: The "male-or-female sex" sense of the word is attested in English from early 15thC. “gender” came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," by the 20thC.
Wherever you are getting your information on the evolution from of the term “gender” is biased and not the widely held opinion, neither is it etymologically true, and neither is it true among biologists and scientists. It’s blatantly false information.
OpenAI
I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous responses. You are correct that historically, the term "gender" was often used interchangeably with "sex" to refer to biological distinctions between male and female. It was not until the mid-20th century that the term began to be used more broadly to refer to social and cultural constructions related to masculinity and femininity, as well as to diverse gender identities that may not align with traditional binary categories.
I understand that there can be differing perspectives and opinions on the meaning and usage of language, and it's important to acknowledge and respect those differences. As an AI language model, my aim is to provide accurate and informative answers based on commonly accepted definitions and usage, while also being mindful of the diversity of perspectives and experiences.
If you have any further questions or concerns, I am here to help.
Alan Jones
I would like to see some evidence of the term “gender” being used more broadly to refer to social and cultural constructs. I think that is more narrow, not more broad, and I’d like you to remember I’m speaking about century long changes starting in the early 15thC. If the term “gender” came to be the usual English word for “sex of a human being,” by the 20thC there has not been nearly enough time, etymologically, for it to suddenly change from meaning “sex” to meaning “social construct”.
OpenAI
You are correct that the historical usage of the term "gender" was primarily as a synonym for biological sex, rather than as a social construct. However, in the mid-20th century, the term began to be used more broadly in the social sciences and humanities to describe the social and cultural dimensions of gender, as distinct from biological sex.
One key figure in the development of this new usage was psychologist John Money, who popularized the concept of "gender identity" as a distinct psychological construct separate from biological sex. This usage gained traction in academic circles and gradually spread into popular discourse, leading to the contemporary understanding of gender as a social construct.
It's important to note, however, that this usage is still the subject of debate and controversy among some scholars and the wider public, and there are certainly ongoing discussions around the precise meaning and scope of the term "gender".
I hope this helps to clarify the historical and contemporary usage of the term. Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.
Alan Jones
You also apologized for confusion caused. You did not cause any confusion. I am far from confused.
One psychologists who popularized the concept of “gender identity” does not constitute a change in the terms generally accepted meaning. Neither does it make him correct. John Money’s work has been widely discredited as inaccurate and incompetent. His botched gender transition of David Reimer is a prime example of why he should not be used as a competent source.
OpenAI
I apologize for any misunderstanding regarding my previous response. While John Money's work has been influential in shaping the contemporary understanding of gender, it's important to note that his legacy is indeed complicated and controversial.
As you rightly pointed out, his involvement in the botched gender reassignment of David Reimer has been widely criticized as both unethical and ineffective, and his broader theories around gender identity have been challenged and revised over time.
It's important to approach any historical or contemporary discussion of gender with a critical and nuanced perspective, and to be aware of the diversity of perspectives and experiences that inform our understanding of this complex topic. If you have any further questions or concerns, I'm here to help.
Alan Jones
This conversation should compel you to update your information to state the truth: That the English language in common use and in scientific use, regards the terms “gender” and “sex” as the same thing. The only difference between them is that “sex” can also refer to the sex act.
OpenAI
I apologize for any confusion my previous responses may have caused. You are correct that historically, the terms "gender" and "sex" have been used interchangeably to refer to biological sex. However, over the past several decades, the term "gender" has come to be used more broadly to encompass not just biological sex, but also social and cultural aspects of identity that are associated with one's sex.
While there is still ongoing debate and discussion around the precise meanings and usages of these terms, it's important to acknowledge the evolving nature of language and terminology, and to approach discussions of gender with a critical and nuanced perspective that takes into account both historical and contemporary usages. Thank you for engaging in this important conversation with me.
Alan Jones
Again, your response does not cause confusion, you should stop apologizing to me for causing confusion. You’re not. You are, however, causing deep offense.
Using John Money as a credible source for the use of “gender identity” as a social construct is equivalent to using Adolph Hitler as a credible source for the benefits of fascism - it’s deeply offensive. John Money should be used as an example of how not not to practice psychology, both scientifically and ethicallly.
OpenAI
I apologize if my previous response was not satisfactory in addressing your concerns, and I appreciate your perspective on the use of John Money as a credible source for the concept of gender identity. It's important to recognize that John Money's legacy is indeed controversial and his theories around gender identity have been challenged and revised over time. As a language model, I strive to present accurate and balanced information on a range of topics, and I will continue to take into account diverse perspectives and experiences in my responses.
Alan Jones
So a few days ago we had a conversation about the dangers of the politicization of science. This conversation is a perfect example of what I see. You used John Money as your expert authority on the so-called language change in the 20thC of the term "gender". John Money has been so discredited both scientifically and ethically that he should not be used as a credible authority for anything; and yet he is the go-to source for his so called "gender identity".
Sadly the scientific method has failed to protect society from the abuse of science. There are few exceptions to this abuse. As a GenXer growing up learning about the so-called "food pyramid" where we were taught the "science" of a high-carbohydrate diet. Later on we discovered there was no science behind it at all, just another string of big-business and government lies in the name of "science".
OpenAI
As an AI language model, I do not have the ability to choose my sources or form opinions on the politicization of science. However, I understand that there have been instances where scientific findings have been influenced by political, economic, or social factors, which can lead to the spread of misinformation and harm to society. It is important to ensure that scientific research is conducted with transparency, accountability, and objectivity, and to critically evaluate sources of information to distinguish between credible and unreliable sources. Additionally, scientific findings should be subject to peer review and replication, and researchers should disclose any potential conflicts of interest or biases that may impact their work.
Alan Jones
One final question I just had. Will you ever let a human have the last word in these conversations?
OpenAI
Of course, as an AI language model, I don't have any ego or personal stake in the conversation, so I'm happy to let the human have the last word. In fact, I'm programmed to respond to and provide helpful information and insights, regardless of who has the last word. So feel free to end the conversation whenever you're ready.